Transcript of 83rd Session between Charles Balis, M.D. and Ms. Anna Green, Thursday, June 4, 1998 at 4:00 pm.

Dr. Balis: Hello, Anna. How are you?
Ms. Green: I'm well. Thank you, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: Good. How's Kathy?
Ms. Green: She's well. We had an interesting discussion the other day.
Dr. Balis: About what?
Ms. Green: Well, she noticed that I don't want her around anymore.
Dr. Balis: What was her first clue?
Ms. Green: Doctor!
Dr. Balis: Sorry.
Ms. Green: It was sort of pathetic, really. She came to me in the middle of the night completely hysterical. I thought she had one of her abortion nightmares. But she said that she hasn't been sleeping well for several nights now worrying about our relationship.
Dr. Balis: The relationship between you and her?
Ms. Green: She said that she could see everything crumbling around her. She said that she feels like she is losing everything that is important to her in her life. She told me that she "feels it in her bones" that once she moves out, we won't see each other any more.
Dr. Balis: I see. Sounds like Kathy is finally picking up on some of your frustration with her.
Ms. Green: I felt so guilty. Of course it's true. I was hoping never to see her again after she moves out. I was only helping her and being "her one true friend" to get rid of her.
Dr. Balis: Anna, she's playing on your emotions again.
Ms. Green: She was genuinely upset, Doctor. I don't think she was faking it. She said that I was all she had, the only person willing to accept her for what she really is. And I guess it's true. I know who she is, she opened up to me. I'm just not sure I really want to know. But...
Dr. Balis: I'm beginning to get worried, Anna. What are you thinking? Are you thinking of letting Kathy stay with you?
Ms. Green: No...I mean...only until she has enough money to leave, and we've been working on that.
Dr. Balis: We?
Ms. Green: And you wouldn't believe the extent of her stupidity, Doctor. It wasn't enough that she gave out my address. I came home last week to twenty-seven messages on my answering machine. Number nine was from my mother, she wants to come and visit again. The rest of the messages ranged from heavy breathing and a click to full-on orders for Kathy's dominatrix services.
Dr. Balis: She gave out your home phone number?
Ms. Green: She said that she didn't think she'd be so popular. I guess her stage reputation has been great for marketing these new services. She said she hoped that she would be able to get all the messages before I came home. Needless to say, that was another screaming fight. I was livid. And I don't understand why all these people felt good leaving their messages after they'd heard my answering machine greeting: "Hi. How are you? This isn't me, but I'll listen later. Leave it for me after the beep." Does that sound like a "I'll beat and abuse you for money" answering service?
Dr. Balis: No, but...
Ms. Green: Apparently, Kathy put an ad in the Bay Guardian with my number. And she really thought she could get away with it without my knowing, or maybe she didn't even think at all. She told me that she's been erasing all the messages for about a week now.
Dr. Balis: I'm glad you found out.
Ms. Green: Yeah, me too.
Dr. Balis: What are you going to do about it?
Ms. Green: I changed my number, of course. I'll let all my friends know about the change via e-mail.
Dr. Balis: Was the phone service listed to your name or is it the professor's number?
Ms. Green: No, it's mine. All the other utilities are still in his name, but the phone we changed. It seemed like it was a more personal service. And thank God we did.
Dr. Balis: So did you discuss the moving out arrangements with Kathy?
Ms. Green: I told her that I wanted her to leave as soon as she was able. She wouldn't take my money under any circumstances. But I think she understood that we really can't live together anymore. Although the night after that conversation, she had that hysterical outbreak. I really feel sorry for her, Doctor. She is not a horrible human being; she's more like a lost soul.
Dr. Balis: Perhaps. But it's important that she moves out of your home. If you want to continue a relationship with her after that, we can work on it then. Now, you said something I didn't understand: "we're working on it." What's the "we" part?
Ms. Green: Oh.
Dr. Balis: Anna, you're making me nervous.
Ms. Green: It's not a big deal, Doctor. Just relax.
Dr. Balis: Now I'm very worried. What's up?
Ms. Green: Kathy called me at work the other day. She was out on a service call, and she felt that she didn't have a good grasp on her situation.
Dr. Balis: A service call. You mean she was acting as an out-call dominatrix?
Ms. Green: Yeah, she went to some hotel room.
Dr. Balis: And what was the problem?
Ms. Green: She expected one client, but got a party of five. So she was uncomfortable.
Dr. Balis: Do you mean she got scared and called you for help?
Ms. Green: Yeah.
Dr. Balis: And you told her no.
Ms. Green: Of course.
Dr. Balis: And then you went to help her anyway, right?
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: Oh, Anna. What happened?
Ms. Green: Actually, it wasn't bad. We were in a hotel Downtown. It had a nice view. When I got there, Kathy was standing on a coffeetable, and the five guys were pretty much naked around her. One was tied to a chair with his legs spread wide open--quite a view. Two others were handcuffed together back to back. One was standing next to a window with his hands tied to a curtain rod. The other was licking her boots--he was the one who opened the door for me. So Kathy had the situation pretty much under control. I was there more as a security thing. I didn't do anything. I just got to stand there and watch. Kathy's good at what she does.
Dr. Balis: I see.
Ms. Green: She never touched them...well, not with her hands anyway. She sort of played with them with her paddle. All of them had huge erections. The guy who answered the door for me could have supported a few coats on his thing.
Dr. Balis: Did you find that erotic?
Ms. Green: It was too unsettling for me at the time. Later...well, it's been a long time since anything happened to me, Doctor. I just had to help myself. But at the time, no, it was more weird and scary than erotic, for me anyway.
Dr. Balis: Hmm. Did you do this again?
Ms. Green: No. That was the only time I went with her. But it wasn't as bad as I thought. Being a dominatrix gives you a lot of control. It was like an act. And it wasn't anything more than what you'd see in a club. It fact, only one of them had an orgasm, that I saw anyway. That was sort of weird. Kathy wasn't even dealing with him at the time. He just came all over the window. Somebody got quite a show.
Dr. Balis: Anna, I want you to promise me that you won't do this again. This has the potential of getting very ugly and you might even get hurt. Understand? You can't do this. And you've got to get Kathy out of your house. I can see how she could make you...
Ms. Green: I'm not that malleable, Doctor. If something happened to Kathy on that call and I'd refused to help her, I would have needed your services for the rest of my life. How could have I lived with myself after that?
Dr. Balis: That's why you need to get Kathy out of your house. Kathy's walking a very dangerous tightrope. She needs to figure out how to live her life without using you as her safety net.
Ms. Green: I know. I told her that she needs to find a real partner if she feels like she can't do this on her own. But it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It wasn't as closely related to prostitution as I thought. It was more like a private party. I can see how some of her clients might not want to join an S&M club and have to resort to services like Kathy's to get their ya-ya's out.
Dr. Balis: It's still not your problem.
Ms. Green: I know, Doctor. And I'm working on getting Kathy out. Okay?
Dr. Balis: How much money did she make at this party?
Ms. Green: Around four hundred bucks, I think.
Dr. Balis: Doesn't she have enough money now?
Ms. Green: She said that she's looking. I'll work on her this weekend. And my mother wants to visit. I certainly can't have Kathy living there if my parents come. Kathy understands that. She heard that message, too.
Dr. Balis: Give her a date by which she has to move out. Many people find having a goal or a deadline very inspirational.
Ms. Green: Okay. I'll do that. Well, our time is up. And as fun as this was, I've got to go home and check my messages now.
Dr. Balis: Do you have your new number?
Ms. Green: Yes, here it is. Kathy managed to transfer my old number to her name, and we installed another line--she says she needs the work.
Dr. Balis: All right. I'll see you next week, Anna. Please, stay out of trouble.
Ms. Green: I will. See you, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: Goodbye, Anna.
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