Transcript of 88th Session between Charles Balis, M.D. and Ms. Anna Green, Thursday, July 23, 1998 at 4:00 pm.

Ms. Green: Hello, Doctor Balis.
Dr. Balis: Hello, Anna. Come in. Sit down.
Ms. Green: Okay. I'm back at work.
Dr. Balis: Good. Did you talk to Julian about that or was it his idea?
Ms. Green: I went to the office after our last session and had a long conversation with him. I told him everything that happened and how upset and out of control I feel right now. And I told him that I want to be back at work--it's the only way I can get my sanity back, with your help of course.
Dr. Balis: So Julian was understanding?
Ms. Green: He said that he had no idea about what happened to Kathy. He asked if he should be worried about me. I told him I was through with all that and just want to get back to living a normal life like everyone else in the office.
Dr. Balis: And?
Ms. Green: He laughed. He said that he hadn't seen normalcy even in passing in our department.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: He told me to report to work the next day. I've been working all last weekend and late into the night every day after that.
Dr. Balis: I see. Are you eating? Are you getting enough sleep?
Ms. Green: It's better. Since I've been working, I'm getting tired and it's much easier to fall asleep. I don't dream anymore, but that's fine.
Dr. Balis: Are you eating?
Ms. Green: More or less.
Dr. Balis: I suspect less. You look like you've lost weight.
Ms. Green: I guess that's true. But I try, so don't press me on that, okay?
Dr. Balis: All right. But if you lose more...
Ms. Green: Drop it, Doctor. I'll eat.
Dr. Balis: I'm surprised that Julian didn't know about Kathy. Didn't they ask for telephone records and...
Ms. Green: Yes, but I guess they didn't get into all the details. I was surprised, too. I was certain that it was part of the reason Julian asked me to stay home--he didn't want SII to get involved in the S&M scandal. But he's being very supportive now.
Dr. Balis: I'm glad to hear that.
Ms. Green: Yeah. I probably violated all sorts of laws telling him about Kathy, though. I'm probably violating it now with you.
Dr. Balis: What do you mean?
Ms. Green: The police told me that there's a gag order and no one who's not directly involved in the investigation must know what's going on. That's why there's been nothing in the media about it. Even the hospital staff is not allowed to discuss the case.
Dr. Balis: I see.
Ms. Green: Although the only thing those doctors and nurses know is what Kathy's grandma told them. The police never bothered to set the record straight. So I hope I never need to be hospitalized there for any reason.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: And Kathy...I don't know what's up with her.
Dr. Balis: She was released from the hospital, right?
Ms. Green: Yes. She went home with Helen on Saturday. But she gave a statement to the police before that. And I don't know what she told them, but...I can't wait for this whole thing to be over.
Dr. Balis: What did Kathy tell the police?
Ms. Green: I don't really know. It's not like they gave me a transcript of her statement. But they made me take Tuesday morning off so I could down there and be interrogated by them for the hundredth time. It was awful, Doctor. They made me come in at eight-thirty in the morning, and they kept me there until three in the afternoon without even a coffee break. I had a horrible headache and by the end, I couldn't even spell my name right.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: They told me that they just wanted to verify a few details from Kathy's statement, but they went on and on. And they keep pressing me into going to that stupid S&M thing in Dore Alley.
Dr. Balis: Did you refuse to go?
Ms. Green: I told them that I would rather not. I really don't think I would be of any use to them, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: And are you going?
Ms. Green: Yes. They are picking me up Sunday morning. I even have to dress up. I don't really own anything appropriate, but they told me that they'll bring me something to wear. God, I can only imagine.
Dr. Balis: You really don't have to do this, you know.
Ms. Green: I know. I'm a fool for even thinking about it. I think Kathy said some outrageous things about me in her testimony. And I still feel like I owe it to her to go. Can you believe it?
Dr. Balis: Do you feel guilty over what happened to her?
Ms. Green: I don't think it was my fault, and I don't think I could have done anything to prevent it from happening.
Dr. Balis: But do you feel guilty?
Ms. Green: Yes, sort of. Maybe if I go to this thing, I would be free and would feel no further obligation to help her.
Dr. Balis: Do you think that's true?
Ms. Green: Well, I also hate that there's this guy that does this to women, and he's free to do it again. It's sort of my duty to help, isn't it?
Dr. Balis: I believe you also have a duty to yourself, Anna. You've been through a lot and I think...
Ms. Green: I'm not good at thinking like that, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: I know.
Ms. Green: Maybe I can just go for a little while.
Dr. Balis: Hmm. What do you think Kathy told the police about you?
Ms. Green: They kept pressing me on just how involved I was in her business. They said that they found it hard to understand how I would take Kathy in after what she'd done to my relationship with Martin.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: They asked why Kathy used my telephone number to conduct her business. I told them that she used it in secret and I had no knowledge of it for a long time. They already have copies of all my telephone bills and SII telephone logs from my office phone. Oh, and they searched the house again. They took my shoes away as evidence. Do you remember that pair that Martin gave me? I couldn't even walk when he made me wear them.
Dr. Balis: Why did they take them?
Ms. Green: I don't know. I told them they were mine and that Martin gave them to me. The whole was like they were playing the good cop/bad cop game with me.
Dr. Balis: What do you mean?
Ms. Green: First, they made me believe that Kathy told them I was her business associate. And when I told them it wasn't true, they pretended not to believe me. Then this detective talked with me as if I was part of his team. He made me feel like it was my duty and responsibility to help them get this guy. He made me feel like I was one of them. It was all very strange.
Dr. Balis: Have you considered consulting with a lawyer?
Ms. Green: Why would I do that? I didn't do anything.
Dr. Balis: I know. But just in case, I think it might be a good idea.
Ms. Green: I don't know, Doctor. With all their manipulative games, the police haven't actually accused me of anything. And I don't believe that anyone would take Kathy's grandmother's ravings seriously. I don't even think that Kathy herself is a very credible person really.
Dr. Balis: Perhaps. I just don't want you to unwittingly get yourself into a sticky situation, Anna.
Ms. Green: It's too late for that, isn't it, Doctor?
Dr. Balis: Hmm. You sound much more focused today.
Ms. Green: Yeah. I don't know whether it's because I'm just too tired or if I'm getting some emotional separation from the events involving Kathy.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: But it's true, I feel more together. I think work really helped, too.
Dr. Balis: Perhaps.
Ms. Green: I think things will be getting better for me soon. I'll go to this thing on Sunday and that's it. There's nothing more they can ask of me.
Dr. Balis: If you change your mind about Sunday, give me a call and I'll talk to the detectives myself. Okay?
Ms. Green: All right. But I'm not sure they know about you, Doctor Balis. And I told them that I wouldn't talk about the case with anyone, even my parents. So...
Dr. Balis: I think it will be okay. And I'm sure they know about me.
Ms. Green: Why? Do you think they have my personnel records? Oh god! Of course they do. That's why they were asking me about the people in my department.
Dr. Balis: What did they ask?
Ms. Green: They asked tons of questions, like who I dated, and did Kathy know and service people from SII, and did I know of any bizarre sexual preferences of people in my office.
Dr. Balis: I see.
Ms. Green: I don't think I told them much, but who knows? I was really losing it at the end. I did tell them about the porno movies I think. Or did they ask me?
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: God, I hope...I can just see them putting together the porno and pizza nights, and the fucking on the couches, and Martin and his foot fetish, and the S&M outing I sponsored for the guys in my department...
Dr. Balis: Maybe you should talk to a lawyer, Anna. It couldn't hurt.
Ms. Green: But it would be like admitting that I've done something wrong.
Dr. Balis: No, I don't think...
Ms. Green: Sure it is. Isn't that why people go to criminal attorneys? They've committed a crime, but I didn't. Think of how the police will react when I tell them I want an attorney. I don't need an attorney. And I'm not charged with anything either. I think it's a bad idea, Doctor. I really do.
Dr. Balis: Think about it...
Ms. Green: And I think they did ask me if I consulted with an attorney.
Dr. Balis: When did they ask you that?
Ms. Green: The first time they interviewed me, I think. Maybe the second.
Dr. Balis: I...
Ms. Green: Now I'm very upset, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: I didn't mean to make you upset. I just want to make sure...
Ms. Green: I know, I'm sorry. You're the only person truly on my side, Doctor. What would I do without you?
Dr. Balis: Anna...
Ms. Green: Please don't throw me out just yet.
Dr. Balis: I...
Ms. Green: I know it's late. Why don't you ask me how my work is?
Dr. Balis: How is your work, Anna?
Ms. Green: Well, I was going to go to New York in a few weeks for an on-site inspection of a big SIIMole installation, you think they'll let me go?
Dr. Balis: The police?
Ms. Green: Do I have to remain in the state or something?
Dr. Balis: I don't know...
Ms. Green: So that was a bad question.
Dr. Balis: How are your parents?
Ms. Green: They are well. I'm going to visit them next weekend...the weekend after the S&M thing. But I don't want to tell them anything, Doctor. Really, you can't make me.
Dr. Balis: I wasn't...
Ms. Green: Everything we talk about comes back to...I think I should go now, Doctor. Okay?
Dr. Balis: All right. Call me, if you need me. And I'd be happy to talk to the detectives on your behalf if you feel like you don't want to go to...
Ms. Green: It's all right. I'll be a good girl and do as they tell me, and maybe they'll leave me alone. Have a good week, Doctor. And thank you.
Dr. Balis: Goodbye, Anna. Good luck on Sunday.
Ms. Green: Yeah, thanks.
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