Transcript of 9th Session between Charles Balis, M.D. and Ms. Anna Green, Thursday, August 29, 1996 at 4 pm.

Ms. Green: Hello, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: Anna! I was really worried about you. Why didn't you return my phone calls?
Ms. Green: I'm sorry, Doctor. I was really having a difficult time.
Dr. Balis: I know. I was hoping to be able to help you. Tell me how are you feeling today?
Ms. Green: I don't know. I'm not really feeling anything.
Dr. Balis: Why don't we talk a little bit about Tony, okay? During our last session together, you mentioned that you thought of Tony as a one night stand. Right?
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: But Tony insisted on trying to keep your relationship going.
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: Then Tony met someone over the weekend.
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: After trying to reach him all weekend and most of Monday, you talked to one of Tony's co-workers and found out about Tony's new relationship.
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: Had your feelings for Tony changed dramatically between last Thursday and Monday?
Ms. Green: I don't know.
Dr. Balis: Well let's try to figure it out together, okay?
Ms. Green: Okay.
Dr. Balis: You had a good time with Tony on your trip, but you had no expectations about continuing your relationship long distance.
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: Did your feelings for Tony change when he expressed interest and tried to actively pursue you?
Ms. Green: I don't know.
Dr. Balis: Did it make you feel good when Tony called you at work and expressed a lot of interest in developing your relationship?
Ms. Green: I guess so. Yes, it made me feel good.
Dr. Balis: Would it have bothered you if Tony never called you again? I mean if he didn't call you after you came back from LA?
Ms. Green: I'm not sure. It was really nice that he called.
Dr. Balis: Yes it was. But would you have felt as bad as you do right now if he just never called you to begin with?
Ms. Green: I guess it wouldn't have been as bad.
Dr. Balis: Why do you think that?
Ms. Green: Because I set my mind a certain way before. I just sort of filed it under a pleasant affair. But when he kept calling me, I just thought that it might be nice, you know? That it might be nice if it was more.
Dr. Balis: But before that, you didn't consider Tony as a major relationship.
Ms. Green: He was nice, but...
Dr. Balis: Yes?
Ms. Green: But he wasn't all that smart, you know? He just seemed to be very interested in making it in Hollywood. But he wasn't very deep, you know?
Dr. Balis: So you didn't think then that you had a lot in common. Right?
Ms. Green: Right.
Dr. Balis: So why is it so important to you that he might have found someone more suitable for him. You clearly weren't particularly interested in him.
Ms. Green: It's just that he found that person at the same time as me. I mean, I'm happy that he found his soul mate. Tony is nice and deserves to be happy. Oh, bullshit. It's just that he found her now. I thought he was in love with me.
Dr. Balis: Did he ever tell you that?
Ms. Green: No. It just felt like...I know what you mean, Doctor. And it is really terrible of me to feel the way I do.
Dr. Balis: I didn't say that. Feelings just are, they're not good or bad. I just want us to find out why you feel the way you do.
Ms. Green: If he just waited a little bit and then found her, oh I don't know, two weeks from now. It would have been okay with me.
Dr. Balis: So what makes you feel really bad is not the fact that Tony found someone. But the fact that Tony found someone right now.
Ms. Green: I guess if you look at it this way, I shouldn't really be feeling all that bad. Intellectually, I know you're right. But it still feels...
Dr. Balis: Bad?
Ms. Green: Yeah. It's like my self confidence has been undermined somehow. First Bill and now Tony. I really do deserve better.
Dr. Balis: Now this is much better. Remember you came to me and said that you wanted to change. That you want to project an image of a self reliant person who needs to be treated with respect.
Ms. Green: That's not really what I said. But I like your version better. So what do I do?
Dr. Balis: Well let's start by thinking of examples. Who do you know that is treated in the manner that you would like to be?
Ms. Green: You mean like a role model?
Dr. Balis: I don't mean a famous person. But someone who you know and are able to observe in everyday life.
Ms. Green: Well, I did say that I wanted to be treated like Ms. Bows, for example.
Dr. Balis: Good. What are the qualities in Ms. Bows' interpersonal relationships and communications that you admire?
Ms. Green: She always comes across as very confidant, like she knows what she is doing. I think everyone respects her, even though she had an affair. Or even because of it. I heard that her husband isn't very nice.
Dr. Balis: Okay, you mentioned confidence, and respect from others. Anything else?
Ms. Green: I think she is very intelligent. But I am too, so that's not it. I guess it's the feeling of respect that she invokes from others that I admire the most.
Dr. Balis: Good. What do you think makes people respect her?
Ms. Green: Like I said, she is intelligent. She is in command. I also think that she listens to what you have to say. I think that people in general just want to be liked by her, you know?
Dr. Balis: Do you think people want to be liked by you?
Ms. Green: I don't know. I hope so.
Dr. Balis: Let's go back to why people respect Ms. Bows. Can you think of other reasons?
Ms. Green: I guess she doesn't let people push her around.
Dr. Balis: Do you think you let people push you around?
Ms. Green: I guess so. Sometimes.
Dr. Balis: I think I'd like to try something.
Ms. Green: What?
Dr. Balis: I would like for us to work out a Personal Bill of Rights for you.
Ms. Green: That sounds interesting. Like the right to liberty, justice, and so on?
Dr. Balis: Something like that. You said that you let people push you around sometimes. Why is that?
Ms. Green: I don't know. Sometimes it's just really hard to say no to someone, you know? They would keep pressing and pressing and it's just sometimes easier to give in. And sometimes I just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
Dr. Balis: Like you didn't want to hurt Caren's feelings when she asked you have sex with her?
Ms. Green: Well, okay, like that.
Dr. Balis: Do you think that Caren would have really wanted you to have sex with her if this is something you didn't want?
Ms. Green: I guess not. But I just couldn't tell her that.
Dr. Balis: Why do you think that?
Ms. Green: I didn't want to hurt her feelings. I told you that. And it wasn't all that bad.
Dr. Balis: Do you think Caren would still be your friend if you said no to her?
Ms. Green: Of course! We've been friends for ages.
Dr. Balis: Did you ever say no to Caren?
Ms. Green: Sure. All the time.
Dr. Balis: You didn't say no when she asked you to have sex with her and her boyfriend.
Ms. Green: It's not a big deal. We don't even talk about it anymore.
Dr. Balis: Did you like that experience?
Ms. Green: No.
Dr. Balis: As the first article to Anna Green Personal Bill of Rights I would like to propose the right to say no to any sexual encounter of which you are not absolutely in favor. Okay?
Ms. Green: Okay. It sounds like a good rule.
Dr. Balis: I think it's a good rule in general.
Ms. Green: Yes. I think so too. I guess you would be disappointed in me if I told you that I broke that rule?
Dr. Balis: I wouldn't be disappointed in you, Anna. But I would like you to keep this rule in mind when you are faced with making these kind of decisions.
Ms. Green: I had oral sex with David, one of the programmers, on Tuesday.
Dr. Balis: Is it something you wanted?
Ms. Green: Yes. It was nice to be appreciated and wanted.
Dr. Balis: Did you like it?
Ms. Green: It was okay.
Dr. Balis: Was it reciprocated?
Ms. Green: No. I didn't want him to.
Dr. Balis: Why not? Did he want to?
Ms. Green: He kept asking me to and telling me just how much he would like to touch me and so on. But I just wasn't into it, you know? It made me feel good to make him feel good. That was enough.
Dr. Balis: Would you have felt good about having intercourse with him?
Ms. Green: I don't know. Maybe. It doesn't matter. I don't think I'm planning on doing anything with him again.
Dr. Balis: Why not?
Ms. Green: I just did it to let him know how good I am. So next time he sees me he would be thinking.
Dr. Balis: I see. Our time is up now. I would like you to try and internalize the First Bill of Rights. And maybe to come up with a few others. What do you think?
Ms. Green: I'll try. Next time I think of sucking someone, I'll think of the Bill of Rights.
Dr. Balis: I mean seriously.
Ms. Green: I know. I know. I'll see you next time Doctor. Tuesday at 4 pm?
Dr. Balis: September 3rd? That's right. Goodbye, Ms. Green.
Ms. Green: Goodbye, Doctor. And I like it when you call me Anna better. It's more personal and you sound like you care.
Dr. Balis: I'll try to remember that, Anna. Goodbye.
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