Transcript of 52nd Session between Charles Balis, M.D. and Ms. Anna Green, Thursday, August 14, 1997 at 4:00 pm.

Dr. Balis: Hello, Anna. How are you today?
Ms. Green: I'm fine, Doctor Balis. And you'll be happy to know that I've kept my underwear on this entire week.
Dr. Balis: I didn't realize that it was going to be that hard to do.
Ms. Green: It is when you're going to an S&M function.
Dr. Balis: Oh?
Ms. Green: Kathy, Martin, and I went to one of those things last Saturday.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: Well, both Martin and Kathy are into that, Doctor Balis. And I don't particularly mind going, as long as I'm mostly a spectator rather than a participant.
Dr. Balis: I see. So how many points does Martin owe you now?
Ms. Green: Doctor!
Dr. Balis: How many?
Ms. Green: All together or just from that evening?
Dr. Balis: How about all together?
Ms. Green: Oh, about twenty-five or so.
Dr. Balis: Isn't that a lot of points?
Ms. Green: Well, I guess I was very nice to Martin last week. But he'll pay me back, no problem.
Dr. Balis: And does Kathy owe you anything?
Ms. Green: I haven't had sex with Kathy, Doctor. So why...
Dr. Balis: I'm just checking--you did go to a sex social together.
Ms. Green: True. But what I did to her there was not really sex.
Dr. Balis: Hmm?
Ms. Green: There was a seminar on how to use a paddle correctly--where to do it, how to avoid injury, how to increase pleasure, how to avoid wrist-injury...
Dr. Balis: Repetitive strain kind of thing?
Ms. Green: Sure. If you don't know how to hold the paddle correctly...
Dr. Balis: Right.
Ms. Green: So we were there learning, and the teacher...
Dr. Balis: The paddle master?
Ms. Green: Are you making fun of me?
Dr. Balis: Not at all, please go on.
Ms. Green: So the teacher wanted some volunteers. Kathy wanted to do it.
Dr. Balis: To be paddled?
Ms. Green: Sure. She is into that. But then they wanted someone to come up and try using the paddle. And Martin volunteered me!
Dr. Balis: Oh really?
Ms. Green: Well, the up-shot is that I ended up spanking Kathy's little bottom. I didn't do it very hard.
Dr. Balis: I'm sure.
Ms. Green: And I felt very self conscious doing it--everyone was watching me, and I was afraid of hurting Kathy by doing it wrong or something. Martin seemed to get a kick out of it all. He even volunteered to be my next bottom, but we were out of time and they told us that we could do it at our leisure later on in the evening.
Dr. Balis: Did you?
Ms. Green: I didn't. I told you, I was just there as a spectator. Kathy and Martin wanted to get their la-la's out of their systems, so they went for it.
Dr. Balis: Kathy and Martin got paddled? By each other or were there others ready to service them?
Ms. Green: Actually, Kathy did do Martin for a bit. It was very funny to watch, somehow. Kathy is so little and Martin towered over her even in the crouching position that he was in.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: But Kathy got her satisfaction elsewhere. She has a regular beating-buddy, I guess. I didn't want to watch that.
Dr. Balis: Why not?
Ms. Green: Oh, they do nipple clamping and they use whips and stuff. I saw others doing it and it almost made me sick. If I watched Kathy, I think I would have passed right out.
Dr. Balis: Just from watching?
Ms. Green: I'm not squeamish or anything. It's just that I know her, and that makes it worse somehow.
Dr. Balis: I see. But it was all right to watch Martin's beating?
Ms. Green: Yeah--now, how many girlfriends get to enjoy that? Just kidding! Martin only did that with Kathy, and she was very gentle with him.
Dr. Balis: Hmm. So Martin didn't try to engage in that sort of activity with other members of this S&M club?
Ms. Green: No. I told you that Martin is still very insecure about our relationship and he won't go and try to fool around with other people on me. And even if...when he's more comfortable with me, even then I don't think he'd do it. He's a one-woman kind of masochist, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: A monogamous masochist.
Ms. Green: Exactly. Martin is monogamous.
Dr. Balis: So why was he getting whipped by Kathy?
Ms. Green: Paddled.
Dr. Balis: Paddled.
Ms. Green: Because I don't particularly like to do it. I did a little last week, but I just really don't enjoy it. It's strange--getting whipped is a lot more exhilarating for me than whipping someone else.
Dr. Balis: Paddled.
Ms. Green: Paddled, right. I really never realized just how sharp the boundaries between a bottom and a top are.
Dr. Balis: So you really consider yourself a bottom?
Ms. Green: I don't know. I like ordering Martin around. It's sort of fun. But I'm not into hurting him--inflicting pain is just not right for me. I get mega points for doing that, though!
Dr. Balis: I see.
Ms. Green: So I sort of feel like I'm most comfortable thinking of myself as being both--a bottom sometimes and a top occasionally. Mostly, I guess, I'm just into the vanilla sex kind of thing. Boring, huh?
Dr. Balis: I don't think so. But since you're with Martin, it's...
Ms. Green: I know, I know. I'm trying very hard to work this out.
Dr. Balis: So you never actually answered why it was okay for Kathy to beat on Martin.
Ms. Green: Oh. I guess because she's a friend. I trust her.
Dr. Balis: You do realize that both Kathy and Martin get sexual satisfaction from this, right?
Ms. Green: It's not like they are having intercourse.
Dr. Balis: No. But none the less...
Ms. Green: It feels okay somehow that they do it.
Dr. Balis: Do you know where the dividing line is? At what point is it not okay?
Ms. Green: I think it's when they actually touch each other.
Dr. Balis: You mean flesh to flesh?
Ms. Green: Yes. If Kathy actually started to spank him with her bare hands and touch him places...I think that would be too much. It feels like it would be too much.
Dr. Balis: I see.
Ms. Green: I've been thinking about what you said--I mean about a three-way relationship with Kathy, Martin, and me. The more I think about it, the more I don't know what to think.
Dr. Balis: What do you mean?
Ms. Green: On one hand, it's not as unappealing as all that. I like Kathy and Martin a lot. I think it would be fun, and we all could get sexual fulfillment and satisfaction out of such a relationship. But then I think about long term. How is it suppose to work if we--Martin and I--wanted a more serious commitment? What if we wanted to get married and have a family? What would happen to Kathy?
Dr. Balis: Those are interesting questions.
Ms. Green: Yeah. Maybe if there was some sort of prenuptual agreement between us--something that stated our intentions from the start so that no one would feel like their expectations weren't met.
Dr. Balis: I don't think it's that simple, Anna. You're not dealing with money--that's what prenuptual agreements are usually about. This is all about your feelings. How are you going to feel in the future about Martin and Kathy? And how is Kathy going to feel about you and Martin? Do you believe that if Kathy was truly in love with either of you, she would willingly give it up just because she signed some agreement in the past?
Ms. Green: I don't know.
Dr. Balis: Would you?
Ms. Green: No, I guess not. It's all so complicated, Doctor. I just want us all to be happy.
Dr. Balis: That's why I really want you to think this thing through.
Ms. Green: I'm thinking. I'm thinking, Doctor.
Dr. Balis: Good. Then I'll see you next week, Anna.
Ms. Green: Thank you, Doctor. I'll see you then. Oh, and I'll keep trying to keep my underwear on!
Dr. Balis: Goodbye, Anna.
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