Transcript of 35th Session between Charles Balis, M.D. and Ms. Anna Green, Thursday, March 27, 1997 at 4:00 pm.

Dr. Balis: Hello, Anna. How are you doing today?
Ms. Green: Hello, Doctor Balis. I'm fine, thank you.
Dr. Balis: How is Martin?
Ms. Green: I think he's happy.
Dr. Balis: Happy because of you?
Ms. Green: I'm willing to take the credit.
Dr. Balis: Hmm.
Ms. Green: I'm turning into quite a dominatrix. It seems I have talent in areas previously unexplored.
Dr. Balis: So Martin is enjoying your phone...
Ms. Green: Sex. It's like running an S&M radio play. We even do sound effects.
Dr. Balis: Hmm?
Ms. Green: Oh, like a sound of a whip or falling chairs.
Dr. Balis: Falling chairs?
Ms. Green: You had to be there.
Dr. Balis: I guess. Are you enjoying all of this as much as Martin?
Ms. Green: Well, enjoyment is relative. I'm enjoying making Martin happy. And how can one judge feelings like that anyway, it's all so...
Dr. Balis: You are avoiding answering my question.
Ms. Green: Yes, I am.
Dr. Balis: Why?
Ms. Green: Well some stuff is very fun. And I do have orgasms every time. Sometimes more then once per conversation.
Dr. Balis: But?
Ms. Green: There were occasions when Martin would describe a behavior or an act that he was doing or wants to do, and I...sometimes he just makes me cringe! There. Happy, Doctor Balis?
Dr. Balis: Anna, I think you're taking my questions the wrong way. I don't want you to admit to not enjoying Martin's company. On the contrary, since you obviously have a strong emotional attachment to him, I want to hear that you are very happy with your relationship. Of course, I only want to hear that if it's true. So what is it that makes you uncomfortable?
Ms. Green: Well, remember I told you that Martin is sort of into feet?
Dr. Balis: I remember. Martin has a foot fetish.
Ms. Green: I guess that's what it's called.
Dr. Balis: Does Martin want to do something with your feet that you find objectionable?
Ms. Green: It's not my feet exactly. The other day when we were on the phone, Martin described a fantasy that he had about us going out to dinner.
Dr. Balis: Yes?
Ms. Green: In the fantasy, we are sitting in a booth of a very crowded restaurant. While we are pretending to have a rather innocuous discussion on the surface, we are playing footsies under the table. Martin was very specific describing what I was wearing--a pair of silk stockings and bright red spiked-heeled leather shoes. I was sitting across from him and could easily stretch my foot to touch his crouch. He told me that I did so frequently driving him to madness with excitement.
Dr. Balis: Did that bother you?
Ms. Green: No. That part was okay. It was even sexy. But he told me what he did next and...I had to pretend on the phone that I really liked it and that it was extraordinary exciting to me. But in fact, it was just horrible!
Dr. Balis: What did Martin do?
Ms. Green: He slipped the shoe off my foot and took it away with him when he went to the men's room. When he came back and gave me back my shoe it was full was gross! Martin said it was full of the "proofs of his love." Yeech! What was I supposed to do with it?
Dr. Balis: What did Martin want you to do with it?
Ms. Green: He told me that in his fantasy I put on the shoe with all that stuff in it. He even went in to details of how it would feel on the sole of my foot. I almost lost it! Thank god it was just a fantasy. I would have thrown up all over him and walked home barefoot if it had happened for real.
Dr. Balis: But you didn't tell Martin that. You went along with his fantasy and pretended to like it?
Ms. Green: I knew that he was touching himself as he was telling me this story. I didn't want to spoil it for him. And it wasn't real. I just have a very good imagination and could really sense just what it would feel like on my foot. Yuck!
Dr. Balis: Hmm. Look Anna, these phone conversation are sort of a dry run for a very real sexual relationship that you and Martin will have once he comes out here again. If you make Martin believe that you're enjoying all of his fantasies, he will have no way of knowing any different and he'll expect you to act the same in real situations.
Ms. Green: I know. I know. But you see, not all of it is bad. I do get off on some of the scenarios that Martin's proposed to me.
Dr. Balis: Good. But you have to tell him what makes you uncomfortable or you'll end up being in a situation that...
Ms. Green: I know. I can see it all now. But I think Martin will change somewhat by then.
Dr. Balis: What makes you think that?
Ms. Green: Did I tell you that he got thrown out of his S&M club?
Dr. Balis: No, but I can't say that I'm surprised.
Ms. Green: They really hate him now. I don't think that Martin will be granted membership anywhere in United States.
Dr. Balis: Well, I doubt that news of Martin's stupidity will travel that far. I don't think those clubs are quite so tightly affiliated. But do you know what happened that night after you left the club?
Ms. Green: Apparently, after I ran out of there, Martin held back a few minutes to reassure everyone not to worry.
Dr. Balis: So that's why Martin never caught up with you.
Ms. Green: Yes, I got a few minutes lead time to get away. At the club, Martin told them that I was his girlfriend and that he would explain everything to me. And he told them that he hadn't realized that I would react this way. And that I was from out of town and staying at his place and that I was probably on my way there and he'd catch up with me and have a long talk. He apologized for me and for his own thoughtlessness. And so on, and so on.
Dr. Balis: I was wondering why those people stayed after you ran out of there screaming. I would assume, by the very nature of their organization, that they would be a pretty cautious bunch--disappearing at the first sign of trouble. I was surprised when you told me that the police were able to bust in on them and even apprehend them in the act.
Ms. Green: Martin is a good talker. I guess he made them believe that everything was okay and that I didn't represent any danger to them.
Dr. Balis: I have to say that predicting that you'd call the police and describe the club as a demonic cult with drug use, weapons, and sexual torture of minors, was a long shot. But Martin still should have known better than to take you there unprepared.
Ms. Green: Now that you say it, Doctor, it does sounds like my behavior was just a bit extreme. But I was terrified and I do have an excellent imagination.
Dr. Balis: Yes, you do.
Ms. Green: But in any case, when the police arrived at the S&M house that night, everyone was still there. Everyone, that is, except for Martin.
Dr. Balis: Who was out looking for you.
Ms. Green: Yes. Some members of the club later accused Martin and me of setting them up, refusing to believe that I would call the police out of ignorance. Some even threatened him with violence. But ironically, they're really not into that kind of violence. The up shot is that he is completely ostracized from the S&M community. And you know what, Doctor?
Dr. Balis: What?
Ms. Green: That makes me happy. I'd never tell him that, of course.
Dr. Balis: Of course.
Ms. Green: But I think it is good for him. I don't think these clubs were the right thing for Martin. I think in the long run he will be happier not being part of that community. At least he has a better shot with me that way.
Dr. Balis: You know you shouldn't try to change Martin?
Ms. Green: I'm not trying to change him. But I think with distance from the whole S&M scene, Martin just might not find it as appealing as he does right now. And with time...
Dr. Balis: I don't think you're right about this, Anna.
Ms. Green: Maybe not. But what do I have to lose? Well, our time is up, Doctor. Next week--same time, same place?
Dr. Balis: Yes. I'll see you next week, Anna.
Ms. Green: Have a good one, Doctor. Oh, I almost forgot. Martin sent me this. I thought you might want to see it.
A Drawing of Anna by Martin
Dr. Balis: Thank you.
Ms. Green: Goodbye, Doctor Balis.
Dr. Balis: Goodbye, Anna.
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